Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Thank you very much, Professor Toner. Good to see you again, Monsieur Desautels. Toujours un plaisir. I'd like to put a question to you, and I don't mean to put you on the spot because there are differing views here.
Professor Toner, I think you were quite clear that it was time. To re-quote you, “The model has run up against its institutional limitations”.
Monsieur Desautels, you said you think the expectation gap might be overcome by a vigilant watchdog. You suggested there was no evidence to support that hiving off the position would strengthen the function, and yet there's no evidence to support that it wouldn't.
You both are experienced practitioners. I guess the question I'd put to you both is a very direct one. I'm not asking you to mind read or to mind-meld or to cast too far out, but given the practice of the past...is it now 10 or 12 years, Professor Toner?