Can I ask for the committee's indulgence for a minute? We have Mr. Jaccard on the line. Mr. Bramley is not quite on the line yet, but he has only a short time to talk to us; ten minutes was suggested. I need your guidance as to whether we go ahead. We have a motion that asks us to.
They're still trying to hook up, but is it your wish to have both of them, and then carry on with this?