My personal view is that it's absolutely critical, because in many respects, even though they're in the form of embodied energy, the growth of China's economy is very, very materially based. It comes from the massive use of natural resources. Again, they are more concerned about the production curve than anything else and they are becoming more and more cognizant of the significant savings, both to the economy and to the environment, on issues such as energy efficiency.
Again, this is an area, I think, where we have to show an awful lot of leadership and where we are, frankly, just lacking. When it comes to North America, I'm afraid to say that from an energy efficiency perspective we're pariahs when compared to the rest of the world. We have to show a lot more example in that regard.
So it means, for example, that China is not the kind of country that's going to be the first out of the gate, to say they'll be the first ones to try something like carbon capture and storage. They're going to want to see that it can be used and developed and implemented in North America, in Canada, or in other constituencies before they're very enthusiastic about taking it on themselves. They want to see that it will work and that it will have returns for them.
It's the same thing with technology. We're going to have to have some very difficult discussions with them about the terms of technology transfer and bringing them on board in that respect.