What we've said, Mr. McGuinty, to be fair, is that we have not done the analysis.
I would submit, with the greatest of respect, that no one whom I've talked to.... There has been some economic modelling done on this. We come at it from the point of view of two things, and I think you've already heard some of the testimony today.
Number one, it would be totally incorrect to suggest that we have repeated a mantra that we will not take action unless everybody does. This is nonsense. It has no connection to the real facts. In fact, while governments fiddled on this issue for a decade and a half, we were calling for a plan, a plan that was comprehensive, that was total, and that had real numbers attached to it. To suggest for a moment that we are saying, “No, no, no, if the large emitters don't see equal action from others”—it's just simply wrong. It is not in accord with the historical record.
Secondly, it seems to me that the large industrial emitters are already committed to taking action, and in fact will be compelled to take action in one form or another in provinces and at the federal level.
My point here—and I assume this committee is dedicated to what we're dedicated to, and that is how we come up with something credible that's going to work for all Canadians—is that along with industrial emitters, if we're truly committed to building a plan for Canada, we have to accept the fact that we need something that's cohesive and Canada-wide.