I've been there and I've seen it. I think it's important that for something this important we have a trip there. I have talked to the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Transport, Brian Jean, and he would host a meeting up there. Those of us in this committee who wanted to go should go, should have that opportunity. It will provide a different perspective, actually being there and seeing it.
I went there and I took a ride in a boat all through the Athabasca River, and I got off and walked on the shore and saw bitumen oozing out of the rocks and leaching into the water naturally. The technologies of how they are processing at the oil sands...there's in situ and there's open pit. The use now of in situ does not even require an environmental assessment because there are no tailing ponds. The trees stay in place and they pump, they put the pipes into the ground. Yet you have increased greenhouse gas emissions because you're using more steam.
You need to see this to be able to grasp it and deal with it properly. I'm going to be moving an amendment that paragraph 2 be taken out of here and that it be referred to the subcommittee.