Yes, my comments about our use of the animals for centuries and thousands of years are very real. The laws that guide us are the laws that the animals themselves have. Animals would not ever let themselves be overpopulated to extinction. Nature controls nature. We all know that. There are predators and there are prey. They will survive because of that function.
When we come in and start putting in laws on how to control the populations that I've mentioned, and the very work of men is threatening those herds, then you understand what I'm getting at.