If I may, Mr. Chair, it is complicated. You're quite right. If nothing happened, based on no interventions from the federal government and no interventions from the provincial governments, they would be 178 million tonnes over. The real number, of all these numbers, is 178 million tonnes, and that's where Environment Canada's looking. That's where we're looking. That's where the provinces are looking.
On May 8th, 2012. See this statement in context.