It makes it very difficult, in fact, from a developer's standpoint for them to justify it. One place where we have been successful is Collingwood, because they have an urban design standard that has been set up by urban planning as part of.... The planner is a member of the institute or of the association, and he has done a remarkable job in pushing and making it law that you have to be thoughtful about this stuff. As a result, we're having more success there.
On October 22nd, 2012. See this statement in context.