Yes, I'm very well aware of both instances. Also, if you were to go back and look at photos about a hundred years ago, you would see the hereditary chiefs on the west coast with sea otter. It's like any other species; there's a level of intervention that should be required, especially when they don't have the predators. Probably in the past it was killer whales and other uses that probably kept their levels quite in check.
I think the other one that you mentioned was with the abalone. I'm very familiar with that. One of the things in there is that SARA does provide an opportunity for that, but that was an administrative decision on that regulation. It should have actually looked at it also from an economic perspective, which would have allowed some activity to go ahead, like you just mentioned, because you could manage the species and you could also provide an economic opportunity that would have benefited the local community.
SARA does provide that, but it's how SARA is implemented. I think it has to be with the involvement of local, regional, provincial, federal.... It's a partnership, and that's the only way you're going to actually succeed.