I certainly agree with that.
Ms. Kleb, I was fascinated by your example of the chimney swifts, because if an environmental outcome of what people desire is chimney swifts, I mean building chimneys is what you would do. I don't think anybody considers chimneys as habitat, but they do provide a certain environmental outcome.
Ms. Kleb, I'd like to ask you about the concept of habitat banking. It has come up a few times as a way to provide industry with the flexibility to mitigate any habitat losses that may result from some of its operations. Can you expand on the concept of habitat banking and how Canadian federal policy could be changed to enhance that?