I think my colleague across the way is very correct to raise the issue of pharmaceuticals, just dealing with the idea of municipal solid waste. But with all due respect, your answer was kind of circular: that the environmental benefit of reducing waste is to reduce waste.
More specifically, I'll give another example. If you restore a wetland, you will prevent flooding; you will improve carbon sequestration; and you will enhance biodiversity. Those are real environmental benefits from a certain action, in this case, restoring a wetland. I want to know what the environment gets out of this when we set up these large municipal recycling programs. What actually happens environmentally out there?