When I started this, and remember this was in the seventies so it's a long time ago, certainly the Scandinavian countries, Germany, and the Netherlands, but they have been passed by now because the incinerator process was the big deal, and that's what they were perfecting.
I think today you will find a whole bunch...you've heard from witnesses about some plants that are using all kinds of new technologies. I think Canada could easily be a leader and the export potential of that leadership, whether it's Plasco or Enerkem, or whoever it is, if they perfect that technology, the saleability of it to countries like India, China, and Brazil is just tremendous.
The Danes developed the windmill and perfected that and then they made big profits for their country in jobs. I think we could do the same with garbage if we just put our minds to it, but you do need to give provinces and municipalities the confidence that the federal government wants to find a solution. That was lacking in my little case study here in Red Deer in central Alberta. We didn't have strong support. We had no negatives, but no strong support positively to make this happen, so municipalities and provinces didn't have the confidence to go ahead with some of this new technology.
The fear of change is what's so critical here. Everybody says that if we do it like grandpa did it, at least we know what's going to happen. We have to go further than that.
Sorry for the long answer.