Okay.
Many in the activist community have rallied against it. We see colleagues being arrested because of their unlawful activities, and so on. One of the things the activist community is saying is that there's not enough consultation, and all of that.
We had very interesting testimony from Chief Ernie Crey of the Cheam First Nation. He talked about there being “43 First Nations that have mutual benefit agreements with Trans Mountain—reportedly worth more than $300 million—that offer skills training for employment, business and procurement opportunities and improvements to local infrastructure.”
Are those mutual benefit agreements good things in your mind, Mr. Kenyon, when they provide revenue and training opportunities?