Is there any country that...? I think one of the examples you might have talked about was Germany. It seems like it was really a 30-year process that got them from starting a national conversation, people writing about it, to actually moving their population to where it needed to go.
Were there any sorts of nuggets or tips that you might be able to draw in from other countries in terms of shifting over the conversation, or is it just really having that conversation and the conversations that you're suggesting right now?