Exactly.
Number two, for example, is that even on the OSB now we're seeing two conversions in Canada. Swan River is one example, and there's another one in B.C. The old OSB now is called the siding business. This lasts 50 years. It's just a panel. You can paint it. It's on the outside.... There are a lot of opportunities to modify or tweak existing technologies, such as flooring and whatever, and make it value-added to last longer. We're looking at all of those.
I think the technology is there. Cross-laminated timber is another one. Glulam is another. That's using wood chips and waste to make panels and particleboard. There are some investments that have to be made. The last conversion to OSB, for example, was $75 million.