First of all, let me just say that, in many of the countries, there are refiners we compete with in our markets in other jurisdictions—and the U.S. is the best example—who don't face those carbon costs. That is a huge competitive disadvantage for Canadian refineries, the additional costs they will pay through this carbon pricing system where they're trade exposed. They don't have the ability to pass that cost on. It's just not another cost that gets passed on to consumers, because they have competitors who don't have those costs and who are going to undercut them in price.
By moving too far too fast, we'll just close the refining sector in Canada, shift those emissions to some other jurisdiction, put ourselves at the end of long supply lines, potentially jeopardize security of supply and bring our fuels in from somewhere else.
Mr. Fisher would probably have some direct experience with that, coming from a riding where an uncompetitive refinery closed, and the province of Nova Scotia has seen some security supply issues in the last couple of years.