I just have a couple of quick comments. First, we can't even agree on the adjective to describe our science. We have one saying “true” science and another one saying “sound” science. We can't even agree on what science is here, which I think is a fundamental problem we have. Having read a lot of science history, I know that it's your proven science until the other guy proves you're wrong, and he's the other scientist.
I think one of the things relate to what you said, Ms. Coombs, when you said that “one of the biggest problems we have is outcomes and the science” in terms of communicating with the public. To me, if you could explain that, it would be an important piece. I read every day about one scientist saying something, and then the next day there's another story in the newspaper that says something different. When we talk about what true science is, and what sound science is, it gets irrelevant to the public.