We're not sure yet either.
We're out of time. I want to thank our guests very much for sharing your wisdom and your experiences with us. We have a very short time frame because we're going to hear the bells very soon. We need to clear the room because the next session is in camera.
Thank you so much. We have just a couple of minutes to clear the room.
Again, I appreciate your time. Take care.
[Proceedings continue in camera]