Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
Thank you very much to everybody and the gentlemen on the phone. There is an incredible amount of expertise on this panel. Sometimes we get two people on a panel, and sometimes we get four or five. There's so much that I want to ask. I'll start off with a little bit of a general question. I'm going to lean towards Mr. Mueller on this one, even though I could ask any of you.
We've talked about retrofitting and about transitions. We've heard that federal codes are a guideline for provinces and territories to follow minimum standards; some match it, and some exceed it. We know that the private sector, certainly in the innovation sector, exceeds federal codes.
I always bring up the return on investment—the right thing to do for the environment versus the cost of retrofitting or building versus the payback. I know this is an overarching question, but how do we get there? How do we encourage reaching up to do better than those minimum standards? Is it with grants? Is it with rewards? I want your thoughts and recommendations on how we could proceed in order to do better.