You are the legislators, so legislate. Bring Jim Carr in, bring Navdeep Bains in, and ask, “Does Natural Resources and Navdeep Bains' department work with the Minister of Environment and Climate Change?” We have policy going up here, and then we have line departments. What we need is something coordinated.
The federal government, for example, has no problem telling me I'm going to have to pay a $50 carbon tax by 2022, and we're willing to do that. If you want to see retrofits, mandate retrofits. Just as you're mandating us in industry, mandate that anybody who is going to renovate a building must do this. There's a real role for mandates and regulations.