On a municipal level, we're kind of stuck. We're stuck running recycling plants that at the end can't sell their things. In terms of looking at how to solve municipal issues, well, I'm always looking at the federal government. That's why I'm so happy to be here.
If we do it in just a small way, such as just in my borough, or just in Montreal—we banned plastic bags, and I was on that commission—it's not the most efficient thing. Yes, you can ban things. It's okay, but the best thing is to put a price tag on it. For instance, in Ireland it's a dollar per bag. They stopped using bags, or 90% of them. It's something that a municipality can't do. Only the federal government can act on that.
We need to look across the country on how to work in a system. We want to create a circular system. We don't want to ban certain things, because it won't be effective.