One thing I said towards the end of my opening comments is that something we really need to see are some new narratives for climate change. The reason for that is, I think, that the lack of progress we're seeing is because we're stuck in old, wrong narratives. We have old-fashioned ideas or wrong ideas about everything like the impacts, but I think, most importantly, about what the benefits are for moving through some of the pathways towards net zero. The benefits of that are just not being communicated as well to society. Whether you call that honesty or whether you look for creative ways to do that, it doesn't matter. Ultimately, those are the benefits of that.
Part of that has to do with imagining pathways that we can't imagine. It's something that artists are really good at doing. There is a role for that group as well here. Storytelling is also a very important component, as far as I understand it, within indigenous communities. It's a part of how they manage their systems and sustain their own communities, and I think it's a very important thing.