I do recognize that, unfortunately, there are those out there who, for various reasons, disagree with perhaps a specific technology, whether it's geothermal or CCUS or some hydrogen aspects. I personally think that's not valid. I think we're looking for GHG reductions as quickly as possible, and a pragmatic approach has to be taken.
The other problem we need to recognize is that oil and gas companies move up and down. Many of my members actually simply no longer exist. They didn't make it through the last downturn, and we are now obviously in an up cycle. This is affecting Canadian workers as we go through this, so we want to make sure that the investment stays in Canada, because what we don't want to do is.... I recognize there's this ambition to say there are substantive profits within these companies at this moment in time. The problem is that they invest across the world and their investors will dictate where they invest, so it's very hard for CEOs and others to put additional capacity in.
They have continued to move forward. There have been great gains there. That really can't be debated. I agree that it's certainly debatable whether or not that has been fast enough.