Evidence of meeting #100 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was change.
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
As the Supreme Court said in its ruling two years ago, it's not a tax; it's a pricing mechanism. It doesn't go back into general revenue of the government. It's revenue neutral, and all of the money collected goes back—
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
—but yes, we will move ahead with the increase of carbon pricing, as well as the rebate, on April 1.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Since you were elected, can you name one federal policy that was opposed by seven provincial governments?
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Liberal
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Can you name one federal policy since you were elected that was opposed by seven provincial governments?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I could probably think of a few, but you're looking for.... I'm not sure how this is relevant to the supplementary estimates (C). Perhaps you can specify.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
It has to do with talking about carbon pricing. There was only one policy that was rejected by seven provinces, and it's your failed carbon policy, Minister.
March 19th, 2024 / 4:10 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
Many provinces oppose many things we're trying to do on the environment, which is not a reason that we shouldn't be doing them.
Many provinces opposed impact assessments. They opposed the idea that we should look at climate change when looking at the impacts of projects. I profoundly disagree with that position. They opposed including indigenous nations when we do the impact assessments of projects. I profoundly disagree with that. That's a clear example. Many provinces—more provinces than on pricing, actually—were opposed to it, and we decided to continue going forward with it.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Minister, the Chiefs of Ontario represent over 130 first nations. They say your carbon tax is making life unaffordable. Are they wrong?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
There are many different views within indigenous communities in Canada on carbon pricing. Some of them support it. Some of them don't.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Those 130 first nations say your carbon tax is making life unaffordable. Are they wrong?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
As I said, there are more than 630 or 640 indigenous nations in Canada. Some of them support carbon pricing. Some of them don't.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Despite Canadians asking—right across this country, seven provinces, 130 first nations in Ontario, 70% of Canadians—it's very clear that you're just not listening to Canadians, Minister, when it comes to this carbon tax.
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
We've done two elections where carbon pricing was.... In fact, your own party during the last election ran on a campaign to put in place carbon pricing. We listened to Canadians. We said we would do that—
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
That's about two years ago. I'm talking about—
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
—in the 2021 election, and we're doing it. We got elected on a platform to put in place a pricing mechanism.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
You promised not to raise it as well, Minister, so—
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Liberal
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
I think we're getting sidetracked. I think the points have been made.
Go ahead, Mr. Mazier.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Minister, when was the last time you filled up your car with gas?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
It's a well-known fact that I don't own a car. It's public knowledge. My service vehicle is a fully electric vehicle, as are the vehicles of many cabinet ministers now.
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Conservative
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I've never owned a personal vehicle, which is also a well-known fact.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
You're increasing the price of gas without personally understanding the consequences of your policy.