Evidence of meeting #105 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
That was before, and I should have allowed it. We could have had a vote on it. I don't know how the vote would have gone, but I apologize for that. Let's—
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Liberal
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
I just ruled on this. Let's hear the points of order. We're going to adjourn in a couple of minutes, anyway.
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
I will try to be brief. We are going to recess very soon for votes.
As I said, I am challenging this ruling. You eloquently laid out a few examples, and you're right that this is extremely complex. I would love to have all of the information to give to somebody who understands it. If I give them the document, they're going to say that, yes, those are certainly pieces of this.
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
Here is my biggest problem and why I am challenging this ruling.
At the bottom, it says:
Please note that this is a draft in progress. Any comments will be appreciated. Views expressed in this paper are those of the authors and do not reflect those of Environment and Climate Change Canada or the Government of Canada.
How can this be a response from the government when it's not even written by the government? That's my problem.
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
Well, he was supposed to be here on April 30, which is today.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
It's the same point of order.
It's basically a draft and not a response to the motion.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Okay. I understand how you feel about it, but I can't tell you whether it's a draft or a response. I am not an expert.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Yes, you can, because it's written right on the paper.
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
Mr. Chair, I challenged your ruling, which I believe is dilatory, and—
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Conservative
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
Right. However, I wasn't done talking, and you moved along to somebody else. That is my challenge with this.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Listen, I'm waiting very anxiously for the bells to start ringing.
Go one at a time, please.
Mr. Leslie, make your point.
Does anyone else have a point to make after Mr. Leslie?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Mr. Mazier, do you have a point? You're done. Okay.
First of all, Mr. Leslie, we're going to vote on your challenge to the chair. Then I'm going to Mr. van Koeverden.
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Conservative
Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
As I stated, this isn't even a Government of Canada document. That's why this is a breach of privilege.
I think the only way to have the experts we need in order to analyze this information is to have all 4,000 equations, not just one, three or four. This is a summary of models, just like the third iteration we got. That is not what the motion said. The motion asked specifically for complete information on a number of pieces.
I understand this is of a partisan nature, but I'll go back to my earlier comments. When this government came to power, it said it was going to be the most transparent in the history of Canada. It said it was going to be open by default. This is so far from open by default that it is embarrassing.
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