Evidence of meeting #106 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reductions.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jerry V. DeMarco  Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Mathieu Lequain  Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Kimberley Leach  Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Markirit Armutlu  Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Stephanie Tanton  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Jean-Philippe Lapointe  Director General, Business Development and Strategy Branch, Department of Industry
Dany Drouin  Director General, Plastics and Waste Management Directorate, Department of the Environment
Nicole Côté  Director General, Environmental Protection Operations, Department of the Environment

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, reading the motion over again is not a point of order.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

She's not talking about the motion.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

The point he's making is it's not relevant to the motion. He's just making a point by reading the motion.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

She's literally talking about it.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sophie Chatel Liberal Pontiac, QC

Can I explain why—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Just a moment, Ms. Chatel. Mr. Mazier has the floor.

Go ahead, Mr. Mazier.

May 2nd, 2024 / 5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I was going to clarify it. Mrs. Chatel wanted to listen to the motion and what we were asking for. It would read, “the committee order the production of (i) the government’s complete tracker tool used to measure the Net Zero Accelerator’s progress and results”.

She's not listening to me.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead, Mr. Mazier.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

It goes on:

...(ii) all internal Net Zero Accelerator targets set by the government, including the government’s Net Zero Accelerator emission reduction target, and (iii) all complete contributions agreements signed, to date, for the Net Zero Accelerator, within one week of this motion being adopted.

There are three points. The three things we're asking for, that's what we're debating.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Ms. Chatel, I think we've strayed somewhat from the subject of the motion, so I would appreciate it if you could get back to the content of the motion.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sophie Chatel Liberal Pontiac, QC

I'd like to refer to paragraph b) of the motion. It says that the emission reduction progress and results of the government’s $8 billion net zero accelerator initiative are not public to Canadians and are not effective.

That's the premise that is central to the discussion about the motion.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Inaudible exactly what he said.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Sophie Chatel Liberal Pontiac, QC

Yes.

So what would be more effective than investments in the—

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

I have a point of order.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I'm sorry, Madam Chatel.

Go ahead, Mr. Leslie.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. This is a preamble of what the environment commissioner reported. That's why this motion was eligible to be moved right now, so whether or not it's efficient isn't.... This is a preamble to what was being asked for.

I just want to clarify that this is not about efficiency or inefficiency; it is saying that the reductions and the results of the accelerator fund are not public. It's not about whether they're efficient; it's about whether or not they're public. The third part is to make them public by sending them to our committee. It's a production order for that information.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Lloyd Longfield Liberal Guelph, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, it seems to me that these points of order from the other side are more points of debate.

If they want to debate the motion, they should get on the speaking list. We have a woman on our committee who's trying to speak over the men in the room, and I would like to hear her speak.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay, listen, what we're discussing here is—

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

You said she wasn't listening. It's so condescending.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

You were talking to her.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Excuse me.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

I have a point of order.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead, Ms. Taylor Roy.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you.

I think one of the members opposite just pointed out that the only connection this motion has to what we have been discussing today is the preamble.

If Mrs. Chatel cannot debate the preamble, what relevance is it? Why are we talking about this motion at all? It needs to have notice.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

No, she can debate the preamble. I have no problem with that.