I understand. Thank you for that.
The other thing I wanted to ask about was zero plastic waste. As you know, we've just hosted the intergovernmental negotiating committee here in Ottawa, and I know that environment minister Steven Guilbeault and parliamentary secretary Julie Dabrusin have done a lot of good work pushing for international co-operation on this.
I want to look at some of the things that have been successful in Canada. Report number three noted in particular the success of Fisheries and Oceans Canada's ghost gear fund, which reduced plastic waste in the environment including through the use of grants and contributions. Are there lessons learned from that specific program that can be applied to other programs to actually increase the rate at which we're making these changes and eliminating plastic from our environment?