Evidence of meeting #106 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reductions.
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Liberal
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NDP
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Liberal
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Commissioner and Ms. Leach, in the last round you said you had not seen the interactive model EC-PRO. Have you ever requested to see the government's interactive carbon tax emission projection model?
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Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Ms. Leach is here to answer that question.
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Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Yes, we have seen the document, dated January 2021, and I notice now that it's still in draft form.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
It was the model I was asking about. Have you seen the model?
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Principal, Office of the Auditor General
That was in reference to your earlier question.
We have seen some of the models. There are several models that the department uses to model its emissions, and there are different assumptions and different outputs that come from that. There's not one single model; there are a number of different models.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
I was asking about that one model.
You mentioned that the government has a tool to measure the emissions results of the net-zero accelerator. Is this public? Do Canadians have public access to it, yes or no?
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Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Do you mean the net-zero accelerator?
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
The government has a tool to measure the emission results of the net-zero accelerator. You have access. Does the public have access to this tool, yes or no?
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Principal, Office of the Auditor General
There is the effect of net-zero in the overall modelling, which is 19 to 20 megatonnes, and there is an internal target from the NZA, which is not public.
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Conservative
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Principal, Office of the Auditor General
They don't have access to the target.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
I mean to the model. It was stated in the report, so no was the answer.
Do you think that if the government is spending $8 billion of taxpayers' money, Canadians should be able to see the results?
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Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Most definitely, yes.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Thank you.
Mr. Chair, I'd like to move the following motion:
Given that Canada's Environment Commissioner reported:
a. that the Liberal government “did not effectively manage the Strategic Innovation Fund’s Net Zero Accelerator to decarbonize the manufacturing industries in accordance with Canada’s climate goals or with due regard to value for money for Canadians”; and
b. that the emission reduction progress and results of the Liberal government’s $8-billion Net Zero Accelerator are not public to Canadians,
the committee order the production of (i) the government’s complete tracker tool used to measure the Net Zero Accelerator’s progress and results, (ii) all internal Net Zero Accelerator targets set by the government, including the government’s Net Zero Accelerator emission reduction target, and (iii) all complete contributions agreements signed, to date, for the Net Zero Accelerator, within one week of this motion being adopted.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
We're doing it now. It's relevant to what we've been discussing.
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Liberal
Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON
Well, I think it's worth considering. I haven't seen it, and I think it requires time. We have all these officials here, so—
