The first step for investors is to engage with companies. Climate Action 100+ has 700 investors. The Canadian equivalent has 46, at $6 trillion. We ask for very clear things. We want governance on climate. We want a strategy on climate. We want metrics that are sector-relevant. We want your lobbying to be aligned with Canada's net-zero goals. We measure all of those things and we make that public.
We also do voting. As with Woodside, we will vote against companies on their climate plans. We will vote against directors. The last step, when we don't see change, is divestment, which then increases the cost of capital for a company.
That is the typical progression. Investors are in different stages of that for oil and gas companies.