It seems that the things you just said about the biggest banks could also be said about the biggest oil and gas companies in Canada. We're seeing those organizations lobby themselves, but they really rely on industry organizations to do a lot of their lobbying for them. They publicly might say they support a transition to a sustainable economy, but then actively engage their industry organizations in lobbying against those kinds of policies.
We also see that the people involved at the top of these organizations—the biggest banks and the biggest oil and gas companies—are often interchangeable. They move from company to company.
Can you talk about the interaction between the biggest oil companies and the biggest banks in Canada?