Thank you.
I think that's important, because they've known about these issues for a long time. I think that at times these companies do innovate, but it's only when faced with a real challenge and a hard line that they actually take the action that's needed to address some of these problems.
In terms of this balance between protecting our biodiversity, our climate and our forests on the one hand, versus short-term profit and maximum extraction on the other, we need to have these companies play a role as well. The unions and the workers seem to be on board. They want to ensure that there's a healthy forest and a long-term, sustainable industry for them and perhaps for their children to also participate in. However, we seem to be missing the full commitment of some of these forestry companies.