Yes, that's why I said we'll discuss that in the steering committee. Thank you, Mr. van Koeverden.
We have with us Peter Dietsch, professor at the University of Victoria, who's testifying as an individual. We have from the Canadian Climate Institute, Jonathan Arnold, acting director, clean growth. From the Carbon Tracker Initiative, we have Mr. Michael Coffin, head of oil, gas and mining.
We'll start with Professor Dietsch for five minutes, please.