I'd say that my perspective was very similar. I had a very difficult start to my career in mining and investment banking, working in an industry that's often been villainized in terms of its environmental impact, and then transitioning to working in oil and gas, and then a little bit of both. I've been in two industries. At the same time, my personal realization, as I said in my opening statement, was that we can certainly stick our head in the sand and hope the problem goes away. We've seen a lot of institutions go down the path of divestment.
I think the proactive approach here, which we should all be thinking about, is that we're not going to be moving off oil and gas tomorrow. I think we all know that's the practical solution. Is it five years, 15 years, 50 years? That remains to be seen. There are a lot of global decisions that will need to be made to get there.
I think what we need to do, in the very short term, is utilize anything that we can from an innovation perspective to make those industries more sustainable. Oil and gas is never going to be a green industry, necessarily. We can minimize the impact of that industry while we go through this decade-long transition so it doesn't have those impacts on the environment that we're all so worried about.