Environment Committee on Nov. 6th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We're voting on whether to adjourn the meeting.

(Motion negatived: nays 10; yeas 1)

The meeting is suspended.

[The meeting was suspended at 6:34 p.m., Wednesday, November 6]

[The meeting resumed at 12:13 p.m., Friday, November 15]

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

I call the meeting to order.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

I'd like to speak to this as soon as possible, Mr. Chair.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Okay.

Mr. Deltell.

[Gérard Deltell, Conservative, Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to acknowledge that your role suits you quite well.

I am very happy to see all of us gathered here on this Friday.

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), which allows for urgent meetings to be held when the need arises, I move that we deal with the subject raised in the November 12 letter received by the chair and signed by five members of the committee.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Okay. That's a motion and it's dilatory. We move on this motion. Is that correct?

[Gérard Deltell, Conservative, Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC]

Yes.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Who's in favour of the motion?

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

It's not dilatory.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

It's not dilatory, but we're going to move this motion that he just read out.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Do you have a speaking list?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

According to the clerk, he moved a motion pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), which is for an emergency meeting. That is a dilatory motion, so we will be voting on whether to go to the emergency meeting or not.

[Louis-Philippe Sauvé, Bloc, LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC]

Mr. Chair, I want to make sure I have the right motion because I would like to move an amendment.

Are we talking about the three-point motion to invite Mr. DeMarco, the commissioner of the environment and sustainable development?

[Gérard Deltell, Conservative, Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC]

If I may, Mr. Chair, I would like to acknowledge the new member in the House of Commons and officially welcome him to the committee. I also want to acknowledge Ms. Pauzé, who serves her party so well on this committee.

No, we're not talking about the motion. I'm going to clarify the situation for you. I moved that we commence the debate under Standing Order 106(4), which allows us to do that. After that, we can talk about the substance of the debate.

I'm asking whether we want to talk today about why we're here. Afterwards, we can have a discussion on the substance, on the motion itself.

[Louis-Philippe Sauvé, Bloc, LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC]

I thank the member for Louis‑Saint‑Laurent for his procedural clarification.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Now we have all that straightened out, I call for the vote.

There is a tie vote, so I vote in favour.

(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

That motion has carried.

Mr. Deltell shall kick off the debate.

[Gérard Deltell, Conservative, Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I move the following motion:

Given that Canada’s Commissioner of the Environment released an audit that revealed: 1) The government is not on track to meet Canada’s 2030 targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. 2) Canada has the worst record in the G7 for emissions reductions. 3) The government is using “unreliable emissions reduction—

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

On a point of order, I had my hand up. I'm curious what your speaking order and list might be. I thought I would have the floor following the commencement of the debate on the motion.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

I have Mr. Leslie and then you.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Do you have Mr. Leslie on the list to speak before me? I spoke before Mr. Deltell, and I now seem to be third on the list.

I'd like to question that order, please. I had my hand up first.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Are you challenging the chair, then?

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

If I need to—

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

Mr. Chair, on a point of order, when the debate was opening, Mr. Sauvé mentioned before the vote that he was intending to put forward an amendment. My assumption is that he would be on the speaking list as well.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Yes, you are correct. His hand is not up, but that is true.

Go ahead, Mr. Deltell.