Evidence of meeting #137 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was projects.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Francis Bilodeau  Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry
Jerry V. DeMarco  Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Nicolas Blouin  Director, Office of the Auditor General
Stephanie Tanton  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Innovation Fund, Department of Industry

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I call the meeting to order.

Good afternoon, colleagues.

For the first hour, we're here in public for a briefing on the net zero accelerator fund.

We have officials here from the environment department and the Department of Industry. Of course, we also have our commissioner of the environment and sustainable development.

I'm told there are only two opening statements, one from Francis Bilodeau and the other from Commissioner DeMarco.

Without further ado, we'll start with Mr. Bilodeau, if that's okay.

Francis Bilodeau Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Thank you.

Before I begin my remarks, I'd like to acknowledge that we're gathered on the traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people. I'd like to take a moment to thank the Anishinabe people and pay respect to their elders.

I'd really like to thank the members of the committee for giving us the opportunity to present the strategic innovation fund's net zero accelerator in more detail, and to answer your questions about the accelerator and its objectives.

I'd like to note that my colleagues and I at Innovation, Science and Economic Development are thankful that the audit conducted by the commissioner of the environment has led to such interest in the program. It is my hope that by answering your questions today, I can provide more clarity about the NZA's mandate and operations.

To aid in this—further to your committee's request of June 4—ISED has provided copies of all term sheets and contribution agreements signed through the NZA and a copy of the NZA tracker tool. Due to the sensitive nature of some of the information that has been shared with you, I'll be happy to discuss these documents in more detail during the in camera portion of the meeting.

Climate change is a complex challenge, and the NZA addresses it with a multi-faceted solution across three pillars.

The first is decarbonizing large-emitting sectors. The second is accelerating industrial transformation. The third is advancing clean technology development and Canada's battery ecosystem. The NZA tracker tool provides a detailed snapshot of progress towards these investment pillars. Projects signed to date, across all pillars, are expected to generate emissions reductions of roughly 11.2 megatonnes.

Through the first pillar, the NZA is encouraging significant investments by large emitters to reduce their near-term greenhouse gas emissions. These efforts towards GHG reductions from this sector also enhance our competitive edge in a globally decarbonizing economy. To date, three agreements, including with Algoma and ArcelorMittal Dofasco, have been signed to decarbonize the steel-making industry and are expected to generate reductions of about 7.2 megatonnes.

Beyond these signed projects, other large-emitter projects are in our pipeline and continue to advance through due diligence. We expect these projects could add up to 10 megatonnes in additional reductions.

These major transformation projects require government support. This support helps companies lower their investment risk and significantly reduce their greenhouse gas emissions in the short term, while remaining financially viable in a competitive market.

However, a company's decision-making rests on a number of factors. Barriers to a final investment decision include high initial costs, low project maturity, risks associated with the adoption of new technologies, and changing material and labour costs.

Pillar 1 projects are the main target of the commissioner's audit. However, the accelerator also supports projects that promote the development of clean technologies, as well as the transformation of businesses and industrial sectors to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050. Pillar 2 and 3 projects present an estimated reduction of four megatonnes, resulting from both on‑site reductions and the deployment of clean technologies.

Projects funded under NZA pillar 2 and pillar 3 include Svante, a company building equipment needed for carbon capture and storage. With a manufacturing facility in Burnaby, British Columbia, Svante will support the carbon capture and storage needs of hard-to-abate sectors, including cement, steel, and oil and gas in Canada and around the world. The deployments of Svante's innovative technology are expected to contribute to significant GHG reductions in Canada and globally. The market for carbon capture is growing, with regulations in place in Canada, the U.S.A. and Europe, highlighting the growing demand for these technologies.

In terms of advancing clean technology development and Canada's battery ecosystem, the NZA has invested in projects such as Volkswagen's PowerCo battery cell manufacturing project and GM's electric vehicle manufacturing efforts. These projects are pivotal in developing a robust Canadian EV ecosystem.

Just as electric vehicle projects are helping to build the supply chain and secure the future of Canada's automotive sector, the net zero accelerator is helping to transform Canada's economy by advancing emerging clean technologies such as small modular reactors, nuclear fusion, carbon capture and sequestration, next-generation aircraft and many more, across Canada.

For all accelerator-funded projects, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada ensures that the contractual obligations and performance requirements defined in the initiative are met. Where the accelerator is able to assess significant greenhouse gas reductions as a result of a project, contribution agreements include obligations to reduce or meet emissions intensity standards. These agreements also include provisions that impose consequences if minimum thresholds are not met. Greenhouse gas reductions are monitored and tracked through progress reports.

Beyond the environmental benefits, NZA investments set commitments to foster substantial economic activities. Since the launch of the NZA, companies have committed to creating and maintaining over 36,000 jobs and to create over 14,000 co-op positions.

They've also made research and development commitments totalling $4.5 billion. Those are not insignificant numbers. Indeed, they highlight the critical impact that projects funded through the NZA can have on Canada's economy in addition to supporting global climate goals.

I hope that the documents that have been submitted to the committee will provide a clearer picture of the broader investment principle that underpins the NZA.

Thank you for giving me the floor.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you very much, Mr. Bilodeau.

Commissioner DeMarco, you now have the floor.

Jerry V. DeMarco Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General

Mr. Chair, I am pleased to be here today to discuss our report on the strategic innovation fund's net-zero accelerator initiative that was tabled in Parliament in April 2024.

I too would like to acknowledge that this hearing is taking place on the traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

Joining me today is Nicolas Blouin, the director who led the audit team.

The net-zero accelerator initiative aims to lower greenhouse gas emissions by incentivizing Canadian industries to decarbonize their operations. Our audit focused specifically on manufacturing, and we looked at whether Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada managed the initiative to decarbonize the manufacturing industries in accordance with Canada's climate goals and with due regard to value for money.

We found that Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada had failed to attract the country's largest industrial emitters.

At the time of the audit, only 15 of the 55 companies with the highest emissions had applied for funding under the initiative, and 2 companies had signed an agreement. The application process is long and complex, requiring companies to spend an average of 407 hours on it. This probably didn't help the department attract more applicants.

Only 2 large and 15 smaller emitters had signed a contribution agreement, for a total value of $3.2 billion. However, only five of these companies had signed an agreement to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. These commitments amounted to just 6.2 megatonnes of greenhouse gases, representing less than 1% of the country's total emissions.

We also found that there was no industrial decarbonization policy that involved all relevant government organizations. Such a policy would provide Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada with a clearer picture of which industries are most in need of funds to reduce emissions.

Our audit uncovered significant gaps, and the department provided vague responses to our recommendations. I am therefore concerned about what the department plans to do to address these gaps.

Mr. Chair, this concludes my opening remarks. We look forward to answering any questions you may have.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you, Commissioner.

Before we start the questions, I'd like to indicate the following: for the next two hours, I'm going to pretend it's the same meeting. We won't start the second hour with six-minute rounds, but we will continue with five-minute rounds. In other words, the first round will be six minutes, and all the others will be five minutes.

Ms. Collins, do you have a question?

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Chair, it was my understanding we'd have two meetings, one in camera and one public, and that those would be two separate meetings.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Since the witnesses don't change.... We're going in camera, but it's not like we have a new set of witnesses.

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Chair, the difficulty is that this plan severely cuts off the time the Bloc and the NDP have to question witnesses. It changes that pretty dramatically. It means that our follow-up questioning is shorter than normal, and my understanding is that we were going to have two separate meetings.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I understand, and I can see that one would always want to get more time. I get that.

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Just to clarify, it's not more time; it's just the amount of time that would be normally allotted if we were having two separate meetings, one in camera and one public.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Just a moment. I'll defer to the committee.

Do I have UC to start over again with a six-minute round in the second hour?

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Yes, that's fine.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay.

Mr. Mazier, go ahead.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Thank you, Chair. Thank you to the officials for coming out this afternoon.

This question is for ISED.

How much money was given to PowerCo through the net zero accelerator fund? What was the dollar amount, please?

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Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Francis Bilodeau

The contribution is $700 million. Zero has been disbursed to date.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

The amount is $700 million. Is that correct?

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Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Francis Bilodeau

That's correct.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

They got $700 million. PowerCo is owned by Volkswagen Group, a German company that made over $450 billion in revenue last year.

How many emissions are supposed to be directly reduced as a result of this $700-million handout?

Chair, maybe you can stop the timer.

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Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Francis Bilodeau

There are a number of projects. Are you asking for specific megatonnes? We do have the information, but we just need a minute to get to it.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Can we pause the time?

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, but then the question becomes this: Do we do this every time somebody has to look up something?

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

How many emissions—

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Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Francis Bilodeau

I will answer. Obviously, this is a battery deal, and if you look at the types of investments, you see that our first pillar is about the large industrial emitters. They're intended to get to emissions in the 2030 timeline.

Battery deals are part of our second and third pillars, which are intended to build the technologies for the future and to build the economy of the future.

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Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I realize there are different pillars and all that, but can you tell us how much emissions will be directly reduced by a $700-million handout to this company?

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Associate Deputy Minister, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, Department of Industry

Francis Bilodeau

The investments we are making are intended to build technology—