They're passionate about it. I live on 20 acres and manage it for biodiversity. We are running pilot projects trying to create where management areas have been set aside with no management techniques, and we're seeing the biodiversity loss because there's no more management, no more controlled burning and no more grazing, so there is another train of thought.
You can't just set aside large tracts of land and expect biodiversity to happen on its own. It needs to be managed. You have to replicate fires. You have to replicate grazing. You need those disturbances on the landscape to have biodiversity.
Our organizations are on a much different track than how we're being represented.