When I look forward to when technologies like Carbon Upcycling's are at scale—specific to the cement industry in this case, because we're talking about concrete procurement—if Carbon Upcycling's technology was implemented at full scale across the cement plants, we could essentially cut the emissions from the cement and concrete industry in half, so there's a significant benefit to supporting technologies like ours.
Then, on the flip side, once it's at that scale or while it's scaling, on the procurement angle.... When we talk about low-carbon infrastructure, it's a very broad statement. A low-carbon building could be LED lights or better windows. There's a large breadth of what you can deploy.
When I think about concrete on the procurement side of things, you need to make sure that it talks about that performance basis, that you're not limiting yourself to specific specifications or quantities of material. I think that's going to be a big part of it, but it's part of a broader strategy.