Thank you, Ms. Perez. I only have a little bit of time here. I appreciate what you're saying, that as technology develops, it becomes more efficient going forward once you get through it.
I was at the International Energy Agency meetings back in March, and a gentleman named Dr. Andrew Forrest, who is a billionaire from Australia and heads Fortescue Future Industries, said that hydrogen will not be viable as a fuel source for 20 to 30 years and that it's important for governments to de-risk it until that point in time.
In the meantime, de-risking it means a whole bunch of money, like $12 billion off the coast of Newfoundland to produce hydrogen from wind energy, consume power to turn it into either ethanol or ammonia, and then ship it, all of which is very energy-intensive. As a matter of fact, in some cases, it will result in energy lost through the process.
At what point in time do you think this will become more robust so it's not consuming 15 times as much cost as blue hydrogen, which is further developed?