To consult and engage is really just the surface. For us, it's really when to take a lead and make sure that it's taking an indigenous approach. For us, it's key in terms of having a high impact, and I think that's one of the missing ingredients for everything that we're doing in terms of the environment. That understanding of how things are interconnected and how things play out is really key. You can't talk about the estuary without talking about the river and the seaway, and so on and so forth. That's really a whole system.
Again, I'm repeating myself, but that siloed approach is really problematic, so it's not enough to engage as a consultant. Really ask us to take the lead, because we're the ones who know the land and who really can help each of us understand where the core of the problem is. It's really taking its own life, its own energy, and we have to react in a much different way.