Evidence of meeting #46 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Laura Farquharson  Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Jacqueline Gonçalves  Director General, Science and Risk Assessment, Science and Technology Branch, Department of the Environment
Greg Carreau  Director General, Safe Environments Directorate, Department of Health
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay, let's vote.

Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Ms. Collins.

4 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

I was just going to tell Ms. Taylor Roy that I think there's [Technical difficulty—Editor] motion, and there would be support for the next one, too. I was just going to encourage us to vote.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay, let's go on with the voting on G-12 as amended.

(Amendment as amended agreed to: yeas 9; nays 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 16.1 as amended agreed to on division)

(Clause 17 agreed to on division)

(On clause 18)

Now we have PV-14, which is deemed moved.

Ms. May, the floor is yours.

4 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This is an amendment in order to direct the minister to require testing by industry where the available information is inadequate to determine if the substance is toxic. This amendment is also consistent with concerns that were raised when the Senate studied Bill S-5 before it came over to this place.

The concerns raised by the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources are resolved through this amendment. This makes testing mandatory where available information is inadequate. It's quite straightforward language, so I'll just leave it there and say that it's well-supported by the Canadian Environmental Law Association and, as I mentioned, also by the study the Senate committee did.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is there anyone else? Would anyone like to speak to this?

Ms. Collins.

4 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

I'd just like to say thank you to Ms. May for putting this forward. I think mandatory testing is important, and I'll be supporting the motion.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is there anyone else? No.

We'll go to a vote. We're voting on the amendment.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 18 agreed to on division)

(On clause 19)

We have, to start, NDP-16.

Ms. Collins.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This is a very similar motion trying to get at the same issue of mandatory testing, so I won't take too much time with it.

Thanks.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Would anyone else like to speak to this? Let's do a vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we move on to PV-15, which is deemed moved.

Ms. May.

4:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

In reviewing the clause-by-clause amendments in preparing for the committee, my staff and I realized that there had been an error in transcribing from one set of documents to another, and inadvertently it lacks the sense it needs.

As you'll recall, under the motion this committee passed, I'm required to be here on a short timeline to get amendments in. I can't fix them afterwards, so I will at this point let the committee know that thanks to the generosity of the member from Victoria, Laurel Collins, we've been working it out. She has a subamendment prepared, so I'm going to turn it to her because, as it now stands, PV-15 isn't ready to be voted on.

If Ms. Collins is prepared to put forward a solution, I would welcome it.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Ms. Collins, your solution would not be NDP-17, would it?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

No, it's a subamendment to PV-15.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Just a moment, please.

Do you have it in writing?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

I do, and I've sent it to the clerk. It should be in their email.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Does the clerk have it in both languages?

4:05 p.m.

A voice

Yes.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We'll distribute that.

Thank you.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Just to be clear, Mr. Chair, I will be proposing NDP-17. This is a completely different subamendment for PV-15.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Right now you're proposing something before you propose NDP-17?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Exactly.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Would you like to speak...?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Just so folks know what is being added here, it's really the same text that you see on your page with simply the addition of a paragraph (a). The part that you have on your page will become paragraph (b).

The addition would be replacing lines 14 and 15 on page 15 with the following: “72 Despite subsection 71(1), the Minister must exercise the powers under that subsection in relation to a substance and a product that”.

With the chair's permission, I will pass it back to Ms. May to speak to her full amendment.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead, Ms. May.

4:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I'm just making sure everybody has received—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Lloyd Longfield Liberal Guelph, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, don't we have to vote on a subamendment first?