We're not here necessarily to listen to the positive examples. I think we're all here very much because of the negative examples. If you were to ask any of the first nations and Métis communities impacted by the Kearl spill, they may suggest that $17.3 million a year is inappropriate for the performance that you have provided for Imperial Oil.
I have one other question for you. You knew that the location of this particular tailings pond was prone to seepage. The berm is constructed of porous materials. There are at least four seeps in the evidence of seepage being detected beyond the seepage interception system. Given these problems and that future incidents are possible, if not likely, do you believe that this is still a safe structure?