I thank my colleague.
I do want to ask Mr. Pushor a question.
In relation to what's happening at the Kearl mine, we've heard words like “leak” and “spill” being used. You used the word “seep”, and I will underscore that I think that is probably the right word. I just looked quickly for a definition of “seep”. According to the dictionary, it's when something would flow or leak slowly through porous material, so I think it is the more accurate word.
Is it fair to suggest that the tailings ponds themselves are not containing the material within them, because the material seeps out along the sides of the ponds, as opposed to what Imperial claimed would happen in the environmental assessment hearings back in the day, which was that it would go down to the bottom and therefore be able to be handled by the containments they had in mind?
It's seeping out through the sides. Is that accurate?