Evidence of meeting #74 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was power.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Natalie Jeanneault

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

This is with the part about testifying on the environmental plans, then. Is that right?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We're dealing with Mr. Kmiec's, yes. We're dealing with that one, with this amendment. Then we'll go on, and if you have an amendment to present, you can.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Okay.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead, please, Madam Clerk.

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 4)

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We'll now go to where we left off on the list.

12:15 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Mr. Chair, I have other amendments to propose.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay, I'll put you on the list.

Mr. Falk isn't here.

I don't know if Mr. Perkins has something to say. No...? Okay.

Mr. Bachrach, you had asked to be on the list a little while ago.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

It looks like we don't have an amendment on the floor—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON

I'm here.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Do you want to vote?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

No. It's done now. It's done.

Go ahead.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

As I said previously, I would be happy to amend the motion to take out the preamble detail and to specify that the two invitees would be Suncor CEO Rich Kruger and Alberta Energy and Minerals Minister Brian Jean.

I read through Minister Jean's amended letter. Notwithstanding Mr. Kmiec's remarks, and I understand that there are a number of ministers whose mandates the decision touches, I think his mandate is broad enough to be very relevant to this committee's work and study. We would specifically invite Mr. Kruger regarding his company's turn away from climate ambition to focus on profits and his quite surprising remarks.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

If you're going to present an amendment—

12:15 p.m.

An hon. member

He can't amend his own.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That's why I didn't phrase it as an amendment, but just some—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

You're giving your opinion. Good. Maybe somebody else will run with that.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's all good. I'm just making clear my thoughts and trying to build consensus in as conciliatory a way as I can, sitting here at the end of the table with both of these wonderful parties on either side.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I appreciate it. That's understood.

Mr. Mazier, it's your turn.

12:20 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

I also have a proposal.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Your name is on the list, Ms. Pauzé. You'll have the floor after Mr. Mazier and Mr. Kmiec.

Mr. Mazier, you have the floor.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

This is going to be real easy, actually. We've been talking about this quite a bit. Replace the words “the Minister of Energy and Minerals, the honourable Brian Jean” with “a representative of the Government of Alberta”.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

But we need to know.... There are two things here. One is that, as we talked about before, the Minister of Energy and Minerals doesn't really fit there, because then it continues with, “to explain why their companies are”. It would have to go at the end somehow.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

The whole thought process behind it was to let the Government of Alberta decide who they wanted to send. Leave it wide open and let them decide who they want to send to defend their...whoever it can be.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

You want to replace “and the Minister of Energy and Minerals, the honourable Brian Jean” with “invite Suncor CEO”.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Replace it with “a representative of the Government of Alberta”.