Evidence of meeting #16 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was evas.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Wiseman  Senior Climate Policy Manager, The Atmospheric Fund
Sinasac  Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada
Sebileau  Sustainable mobility analyst, Équiterre
Côté  Chairman of the Board of Directors, Association des véhicules électriques du Québec
Adams  President, Global Automakers of Canada
Pascalon  Senior project manager, Propulsion Québec

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

I'll call the meeting to order.

Good morning, colleagues.

Today is meeting number 16 of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

This meeting is taking place in a hybrid format and is in public. We have witness testimony for the full two hours.

For those in person, please follow the health and safety guidelines on the cards found on your table to prevent audio feedback incidents.

The committee is resuming its study of the electric vehicle availability standard.

The committee will hear from a few witnesses this morning.

From The Atmospheric Fund, we have Mr. Wiseman, senior manager, climate policy.

From Electro-Federation Canada, we have Ms. Cherith Sinasac, director of standards and government affairs.

From Équiterre, we have Blandine Sebileau, sustainable mobility analyst.

Good morning to our guests.

I will hold up this yellow card when you have one minute left in your speaking time.

When I turn it over, please try to finish your sentence.

Each witness has five minutes for their opening remarks.

Monsieur Wiseman, you have up to five minutes for an opening statement. The floor is yours.

Evan Wiseman Senior Climate Policy Manager, The Atmospheric Fund

Thank you, Chair.

Good morning. My name is Evan Wiseman. I'm the senior climate policy manager at The Atmospheric Fund. We are a regional climate agency that operates in the greater Toronto-Hamilton area and provides investments, grants and policy support to help scale low-carbon solutions.

Today, I would like to talk to you about a policy that is more than just a climate measure: It is a health policy, an economic policy and a statement about Canada’s future. That policy is the electric vehicle availability standard, or EVAS.

EVAS is not just about cars: It’s about choice, affordability and competitiveness. It ensures that Canadians can access reliable, affordable electric vehicles when and where they need them. Countries without strong domestic policies risk becoming dumping grounds for outdated technologies while consumers elsewhere enjoy cleaner, cheaper options.

If I can refer you to the chart, under the original EVAS timeline—20% EV sales by 2026, 60% by 2030, and 100% by 2035—we would have secured $91.9 billion in health benefits, cut 362 megatonnes of greenhouse gas emissions and prevented 11,000 deaths by 2050. That’s our baseline and our reference point. It's what we would have achieved before the delay.

The health case is overwhelming. EVAS will help to avoid 11,000 premature deaths, reduce asthma attacks, lower cancer rates and clean the air in our communities. These numbers aren’t inflated; they are, in fact, conservative estimates. They represent fewer hospital visits, lower health care costs and longer, healthier lives.

Again, the chart tells the story. What we would have advised was to stick to the original timeline and achieve $91.9 billion in health benefits. A delay of just one year drops it to $83.8 billion, a loss of $8.1 billion. This has already happened, and this is not just a delay: It’s a cost that each and every Canadian pays out of pocket through our taxes and, most importantly, with our health.

You might be wondering how these health numbers work and what’s in them. They’re based on Health Canada’s “benefits per tonne” method, which is the dollar value of air pollution reductions. In simple terms, we calculated how much air pollution drops when gasoline use declines and people shift to the use of EVs, and then applied Health Canada’s dollar values for the health impacts of those reductions. That includes fewer asthma attacks, lower risks of lung and heart disease, reduced hospital visits and reduced mortality rates. When you add it all up across the major regions and over the lifetime of these vehicles, the benefits exceed $90 billion in the original scenario.

These numbers are further conservative in that, at the time of calculating, Health Canada was able to provide air modelling only for southwestern British Columbia and the Windsor to Quebec City corridor, meaning that this number is at the absolute low end. We hope to have greater and more precise modelling that includes the rest of Canada in the future.

Every time we weaken this regulation, we are not saving money: We are paying for illness, especially in children, for hospital beds and longer emergency wait times, and for lost productivity. The one-year delay already implemented will cost Canadians $8 billion in health benefits and 36 megatonnes of emissions reductions. If you push the targets further out, the losses expand.

Again, as per the chart, the one-year delay, plus the weakened back-end targets, costs $20.9 billion in health benefits and 82 megatonnes of emissions. In the fourth scenario, with a delayed back end, the cost is $19.8 billion.

Let’s call this what it is: Every concession to weaken EVAS increases the costs to Canadians and props up yesterday’s technology at the expense of Canadians’ health and wallets.

Affordability matters. EV sales dipped in 2025 after the federal rebates were cancelled. Renewing rebates and adding measures like compliance credits for vehicles under $40,000 or zero-interest financing will help keep EVs within reach for Canadian families.

Again, if you look at the chart, without these enabling policies, we risk sliding toward scenarios like Quebec’s weakened back-end approach, which is the fifth scenario on the chart. That would cost Canadians $8.4 billion in health benefits.

To keep EVAS strong, we need scheduled reviews every five years—flexibility without compromise—because the chart makes it very clear that every deviation from the original timeline costs billions in health benefits and millions of tonnes in emissions reductions. Regulatory certainty is the single most important catalyst for private investment in charging infrastructure.

EVAS delivers measurable gains for health, climate and the economy. It offers the certainty investors need, the affordability consumers expect and the cleaner air that Canadians deserve. Weakening EVAS is not a neutral choice; Canadians will suffer, and they will have to pay out of pocket with their taxes and with their health.

Let’s choose progress. Let’s keep Canada moving forward with the rest of the world.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mr. Wiseman.

The floor is yours for five minutes, Mrs. Sinasac.

Cherith Sinasac Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada

Good morning and thank you, Chair and members of the committee, for inviting me to appear here today.

My name is Cherith Sinasac. I am the director of standards and government affairs at Electro-Federation Canada, commonly known as EFC.

EFC is a national not-for-profit industry association representing over 230 member organizations that manufacture, distribute, market and sell, as well as service, electrical and automation products. Our member organizations manufacture everything from grid equipment to intelligent building systems, as well as the full range of equipment that is essential for zero-emission vehicle charging infrastructure.

With the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act, Canada committed to achieving net-zero by 2050. This commitment was reaffirmed by Prime Minister Carney earlier this month.

Let me be clear; electrifying transportation is essential to meeting that goal. It is essential, also, for enabling long-term economic competitiveness during the global energy transition to electrification.

A key driver of EV adoption is the availability, reliability and accessibility of charging infrastructure. Investments in charging infrastructure only occur when there are clear and consistent policy signals that give the industry confidence to plan, build, scale and invest in local capacity.

EFC represents the entire electrical supply chain. This supply chain is globally integrated. Here's why that matters.

Right now, the whole world is electrifying at the same time. Manufacturers must decide where to allocate limited global production of chargers, transformers, switchgear and other critical components that are going into this infrastructure. When governments provide policy certainty, countries receive higher priority in the global allocation. When the policy is unclear, those resources are allocated elsewhere, and the investments here in Canada will not be made.

Without clear and stable demand signals, Canada risks having fewer available products, higher costs, longer lead times and delayed infrastructure deployment. These impacts will cascade. They impact affordability, providing Canadians with fewer choices, not more.

The EV availability standard provides exactly the type of long-term predictability and long-term signal that manufacturers need to allocate supply to Canada. It allows us to make new investments in capacity, including materials, workforce and logistics. Let's put it simply: Policy certainty is market certainty.

Across the electrical and automation industry, companies are operating under the assumption that Canada will maintain its regulatory trajectory. If Canada chooses to backtrack and abandon the standard or weaken it significantly, we will miss out on critical economic development opportunities, lose jobs and miss out on investments. The impacts would be felt down our supply chains by manufacturers of chargers, transformers, switchgear, battery storage systems and other critical components. Private investment in charging infrastructure will stall because there will be a lack of business confidence.

EFC recommends that the government pause at the 2032 compliance ratio of 83%. This will provide the sector and the supply chains with the confidence for further investments. Doing so will provide Canadians with a choice: Those who would like to access an EV can do so, and those who would like to maintain ICE vehicles—internal combustion engine vehicles—will still have the ability to do that as well.

The EV availability standard is not merely an emissions policy. It is an economic strategy, and it is a supply chain signal. EFC encourages the government to maintain the strength of EVAS.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak here today. I look forward to all your questions.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mrs. Sinasac.

Ms. Sebileau, you have the floor for five minutes.

Blandine Sebileau Sustainable mobility analyst, Équiterre

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, committee members. My name is Blandine Sebileau, and I am a sustainable mobility analyst at Équiterre.

Équiterre has been supporting both the Government of Quebec's zero-emission vehicle standard and the Government of Canada's electric vehicle availability standard. We have contributed to the development of both policies through continuous feedback.

Since 2018, Équiterre has also been leading a large-scale awareness campaign, Roulons électrique, to inform and educate Quebeckers as well as organizations about EVs.

This awareness campaign was put together by environmental and electrification partners as well as Quebec dealers. For six years, we ran advertising campaigns and had boots on the ground in every region, including at events such as auto shows, to talk to people and debunk false beliefs about electric vehicles.

According to a survey we conducted last year, over 90% of electric vehicle owners do not want to go back to a gas-powered vehicle. Once you try an EV, there's no going back.

Thanks to the zero-emission vehicle standard adopted in 2018, one in three new vehicles sold in Quebec last year was electric. That's more than 30% of sales, and we're nearly two years ahead of Quebec's targets.

The ingredients for success are as follows. First, the regulations are stable. Yes, they are restrictive, but they have many flexible elements intended to absorb economic instability. Second, the financial incentives decline over time. Third, we have an electric charging strategy. Fourth, we've conducted extensive awareness campaigns.

In Canada, sales have increased significantly since the adoption of the EV availability standard.

According to a study conducted for Équiterre and its partners by Jonn Axsen at Simon Fraser University, this standard is the most effective policy for reducing greenhouse gas emissions from light-duty vehicles. The proliferation of SUVs and light-duty trucks has cancelled out 80% of the savings achieved with engine energy efficiency. The standard will also reduce the cost of electric vehicles by 20%, while allowing the industry to increase its profits.

How did we get to the point of challenging regulations that are the result of years of work, thought and consultations in which the industry itself took part?

Let's not forget that it was our neighbours who sparked this crisis by imposing tariffs on their industry, on their own companies that do business in Canada. They penalized the entire economy and hindered Canadians' financial capacity.

We're here thinking about how to be more flexible for the industry, while penalizing electric vehicle manufacturers and the Canadian dealers who depend on them, in Quebec and elsewhere. The trade war gave the Canadian auto industry an opportunity to improve a strategy that has been around since the 1970s.

The very real decline in electric vehicle sales is the result of political uncertainty, a sudden withdrawal of federal and provincial incentives, and concerted industry messaging designed to slow the transition and preserve an antiquated technology. However, these factors are cyclical and temporary; global, economic and technological trends clearly remain in favour of electrification. It would be a mistake to confuse this temporary and artificial situation with a long-term trend.

The EV availability standard already includes a significant degree of flexibility. For example, an automaker that has not met its sales targets has three years to make up that shortfall. Another option is to invest in charging infrastructure or sell plug-in hybrid vehicles instead of electric vehicles. These elements were designed specifically to help them weather a turbulent market.

If additional flexibility is needed, we recommend that affordable electric vehicle sales be eligible for additional credits. We also recommend reintroducing targeted and unique incentives for low-income households. Lastly, we recommend investing in large-scale education and awareness programs.

The EV availability standard is an effective policy. It is flexible, robust and designed to absorb market shocks. We must not backslide. We need to clearly signal stability: Canada is not giving up on an electric future; it will continue to invest in building this new industry in Canada. Canada is staying the course and weathering economic turbulence thanks to stable policies that give the sector predictability.

Thank you for your attention.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Ms. Sebileau.

Now I will turn to Mrs. Anstey for six minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

Thank you.

Thank you to the witnesses for being here today.

I've sat in on a few of these meetings now, and a lot of the conversation has been very similar. I want to return to something my colleague touched on in our last meeting, and that's with respect to the constituency concerns we have around the EV mandates, especially as that translates out in rural areas. One of the responses we've commonly gotten is this notion that it's really just a result of myth or misinformation that's been spreading with respect to the EV mandates. My translation of this is that the government just hasn't convinced the Canadian public yet.

I want to respond today with some of the realities of the rural communities I represent. Just because these concerns or this information comes from around kitchen tables or the floors of dealerships in rural communities, that doesn't mean that it's misinformed or that rural people's voices are not educated enough.

Allow me to give you some information about my riding. Then I'm going to allow you to respond.

The riding I represent is 47,000 square kilometres in area and extremely sparsely populated. As an example, we have communities of 150 people or 40 or 50 people. The low density alone of my riding makes the rollout of charging infrastructure fundamentally different from the rollout in an urban centre. We can't assume that the solutions for Toronto and Vancouver are going to translate well in some of these more rural areas.

I want to give you some context. If you live in St. Anthony, in Newfoundland and Labrador, you have to travel 470 kilometres to deliver your baby. If something happens while you're in the hospital and, heaven forbid, that child has to go to a NICU, that's over 1,000 kilometres away from this community. These are some of the challenges these people are facing.

In addition to that, there are three communities in my riding—Grey River, François and Ramea—that you can only get to by ferry. There is no charging infrastructure in any of these places.

These are some of the really rural components that we're talking about. I know that we're often framing these conversations to say that you don't need to buy an EV today, but practically speaking, whether that's seven, five or four years down the road, and whether it's 20% or 80%, it might as well be 100%, given what these people are looking at right now.

My question is especially as it relates to this myth-busting narrative, because another piece of this is that we're asking these people to pay $15,000 to $20,000 more in upfront costs for a lot of these vehicles that absolutely don't make any sense for their communities and the areas in which they live. When we're having these conversations, I get extremely frustrated because I feel they're deeply dismissive of the lived experience of rural Canadians in some of these really rural and remote areas.

It's not just about educating them. It's also about really understanding the dynamics when you look at these family-owned and -operated repair shops. They don't have the upfront money to invest in new electrification within these areas, or the specialized technicians. These seem like some pretty far-fetched concepts for people living in these rural communities.

I wanted to put that out there, for either of you, actually, to walk me through this, based on the picture I've just painted for you. How do I respond to my constituents who look at me and say that this makes absolutely no sense to them? Can you help me overcome that barrier? Are we just going to give them more information and debunk these challenges for them?

11:20 a.m.

Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada

Cherith Sinasac

I grew up in a rural community. My family is Mennonite. We are farmers. I know we drove very long distances to get to local towns and communities.

The facts do matter. The savings are even greater when you drive long distances. Look at Lucid right now. It has a car with a range of 800 kilometres. The battery technology is improving every single day—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

If they live in a community that they can only get to by ferry, are we telling them that they're going to take that car, put it on the ferry, take it over, bring it 400 to 500 kilometres to where they can charge it up and then drive it back? Walk me through that.

11:20 a.m.

Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada

Cherith Sinasac

There are also hybrid vehicles available. That's also in the EVAS. It depends on your particular situation. You may choose a hybrid vehicle to save money.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Carol Anstey Conservative Long Range Mountains, NL

We're telling them what to drive, in that case.

11:20 a.m.

Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada

Cherith Sinasac

It depends on whether you want to do the math. I spend a ton of money on gas. We have a truck. It's expensive. If I want to save money, I'm buying an electric truck.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you very much.

Mrs. Miedema, the floor is yours for six minutes.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Thank you to all the witnesses for their wonderful testimony and for being here this morning.

Because there wasn't too much time to answer that original question from my colleague opposite, I wonder if you'd like to take another minute to provide some response.

Thank you.

11:25 a.m.

Senior Climate Policy Manager, The Atmospheric Fund

Evan Wiseman

I'll say this quickly.

In a lot of the feedback that we get in terms of polling from citizens, 80% of charging is expected to happen at home. Look at cases in British Columbia with BC Hydro. They have disconnected grid charging as well. A lot of this charging can be happening in a lot of very innovative ways that can also provide redundancy for rural communities, particularly in extreme inclement weather events, which we're seeing more and more. Electric vehicles can keep your home powered, keep your fridge on, keep the lights on and keep you cool in hot weather and warm in cold weather.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Ms. Sinasac, do you want to say any more with regard to that original question?

11:25 a.m.

Sustainable mobility analyst, Équiterre

Blandine Sebileau

I can add a couple of things.

Obviously, before customer demand arrives, we all agree that the infrastructure and the offer needs to be here in terms of vehicle and charging infrastructure. This is exactly the purpose of this regulation. It's not to force people. It's to bring infrastructure and the right offer of electric vehicles that people need. This is the first component. When this is in place, then obviously.... When people are educated and are given the right information, customer demand arrives. That's what we have been witnessing in Quebec. That can happen all across Canada.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Thank you.

Go ahead.

11:25 a.m.

Director of Standards and Government Affairs, Electro-Federation Canada

Cherith Sinasac

I have no further comments.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Okay. Thank you for that.

Let's talk a little bit about the health benefits that you mentioned. I have never seen those numbers before. Thank you for actually going through how they were calculated. You said that they were quite conservative and why that was so. What would a more optimistic and potentially realistic picture look like?

11:25 a.m.

Senior Climate Policy Manager, The Atmospheric Fund

Evan Wiseman

It gets very complicated because of how airflow works, but some of the numbers also establish it. It doesn't include Atlantic Canada. It doesn't include the western provinces outside of southwestern British Columbia. It doesn't include northern Ontario or Quebec, and it doesn't include the territories. You can start to see that this number would go up.

Also, within the numbers is a bit of a low estimate for certain health events, such as an emergency room visit, based on Health Canada numbers determined from a 1995 study, a 1996 study and a 2007 study, I believe it was. We adjusted those numbers for inflation with regard to what an emergency room visit would be. That only got us to around $3,500. That's not what an emergency room visit costs in 2025, because health care costs have vastly outstripped inflation.

There are numbers. This was a very conservative estimate. We did our best to really give the benefit of the doubt in the numbers, because we didn't want to paint an inaccurate picture. We wanted to provide a floor for good policy decisions to be made.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Thanks for that.

This would be reducing the health impact, because those emissions are gone when there are electric vehicles. Does it consider what would happen to health if we actually don't achieve emissions reduction targets locally, as well as around the globe? I'm thinking about wildfires and the serious health impacts and air quality impacts from wildfires. That's not part of this, is it?

11:25 a.m.

Senior Climate Policy Manager, The Atmospheric Fund

Evan Wiseman

No. The wildfires are not included in the numbers. It includes the particulate matter or PM2.5, nitric oxide and volatile organic compounds that are emitted from the tailpipe. These are just tailpipe emissions for light-duty vehicles. It doesn't include MHDVs.

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Thank you.

Ms. Sinasac, you said you're a non-profit industrial association. Can you say a little bit about the different companies you represent and who they are?