Evidence of meeting #3 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was impact.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Drainville  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Services and Financial Management Branch, Department of the Environment
McDermott  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment
Bonser  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Affairs, Department of the Environment
Nichols  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Shannon  Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Wildlife Service, Department of the Environment

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Good morning.

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome, colleagues.

I would also like to welcome the witnesses from the Department of the Environment who are here today to shed a little more light on the department's various files.

Today is meeting number three of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development. This meeting is taking place in a hybrid format and is being televised.

For those attending in person, please follow the health and safety guidelines for using earpieces, as written on the cards on the table. The QR code on the card links to a short awareness video.

For today's substitutions, we have Mr. Will Greaves for Mr. Wade Grant. For Mr. David Bexte, we have Mr. Jason Groleau. Welcome.

I would also like to take a moment to wish a happy birthday to one of the ladies in front of me. For you, the department has brought in a big, beautiful purple cake. I guess that's your favourite colour. We wish you all the best. I won't ask your age.

Linda Drainville Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Services and Financial Management Branch, Department of the Environment

No, please don't.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Happy birthday to you, and a hundred more.

Today the committee is meeting with officials from Environment and Climate Change Canada for a briefing on the department's mandate and activities and the legislation it administers.

The witnesses today are Linda Drainville, assistant deputy minister and chief financial officer, corporate services and finance branch; Alison McDermott, assistant deputy minister, strategic policy and international affairs branch; Megan Nichols, assistant deputy minister, environmental protection branch; and Tara Shannon, assistant deputy minister, Canadian wildlife service.

We will proceed to opening remarks and questioning of witnesses. We will follow the committee's routine motion for the time provided for questioning witnesses. We will start with the Conservative Party for six minutes.

We will now proceed with opening remarks from our guests.

Alison McDermott Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee, I'd like to begin by acknowledging that we are gathered on the unceded territory of the Anishinabe Algonquin Nation.

Thank you for the invitation to appear before you today.

It is a privilege to provide an overview of the work of Environment and Climate Change Canada, or ECCC—our mandate, responsibilities, and priorities as we work to protect the environment and support Canadians..

In a few words, our mandate is to preserve and enhance the quality of the natural environment for present and future generations.

This work is guided by the Department of the Environment Act, which gives the minister responsibilities ranging from protecting air, water and soil quality and managing migratory birds to coordinating government-wide policies on the environment.

The minister also has key responsibilities under several cornerstone laws. The Canadian Environmental Protection Act helps prevent pollution and manage risks to human health and the environment. The Species at Risk Act protects wildlife in danger of disappearing. The Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act establishes carbon pricing across Canada, creating incentives to cut emissions. The Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act requires the government to set and report on targets that will get Canada to net-zero emissions by 2050.

These laws are not abstract. They provide the framework for how Canada addresses today's most pressing environmental issues. They give us the tools to protect biodiversity, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, improve air and water quality and prepare for a changing climate, but no single government can meet these challenges alone: Protecting the environment is a matter of shared jurisdiction under the Constitution. That means effective action depends on close collaboration among provinces, territories, municipalities, indigenous peoples and international partners.

Domestically, we work bilaterally and multilaterally with provinces and territories, including through the Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment and the Ministers for Conservation, Wildlife and Biodiversity. We also maintain distinctions-based tables with first nations, Inuit, and Métis partners. And we are advancing commitments under the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act.

Internationally, Canada plays an active role in global environmental and climate negotiations, from the Paris Agreement to the Convention on Biological Diversity.

We also work closely with allies on issues such as plastic pollution, clean trade and transboundary water management.

Our work spans four key areas: We regulate emissions reductions, design and implement carbon pricing and work with provinces, territories, indigenous partners and industry to support Canada's climate objectives.

Our department leads on climate science, modelling and adaptation planning, helping governments, communities and businesses prepare for more frequent floods, wildfires, heat waves and storms.

We also monitor air, water and soil quality; regulate toxic substances; and manage environmental emergencies. We enforce compliance under CEPA and the pollution prevention provisions of the Fisheries Act, and we support safe management of waste, plastics and hazardous materials.

We safeguard species at risk, protect migratory birds and manage national wildlife areas. We are advancing work to conserve 30% of Canada's land and waters by 2030, in line with the Kunming-Montreal Global Biodiversity Framework.

As well, through the Meteorological Service of Canada, we provide 24-7 forecasts and alerts that millions of Canadians rely on daily. These services are essential to public safety, economic activity and Canada's sovereignty in the north.

Across all of these areas, our approach is grounded in science, informed by indigenous knowledge and strengthened through partnerships.

We also recognize the broader context. Environmental protection is not only about avoiding harm but also about positioning Canada for long-term economic and social resilience.

In short, Environment and Climate Change Canada is a science-based department with a broad and complex mandate. We administer a suite of legislative tools, deliver critical services and work across jurisdictions to address issues that touch the daily lives of Canadians, whether it is the air we breathe, the water we drink, the weather we prepare for or the climate we leave to our children.

Mr. Chair and members, I hope this overview helps set the stage for your study. We would be pleased to answer your questions.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Ms. McDermott.

Who would be next?

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Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Services and Financial Management Branch, Department of the Environment

Linda Drainville

I think, Mr. Chair, we did not prepare to be next.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

There will be one person speaking for all. Thank you. Okay. We will start now with the questions.

Mr. Ross, you're up first, and you have six minutes.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to our witnesses for appearing today in front of this committee.

I listened to the opening remarks and I just want to know whether your ministry actually engages with international ministries as well in terms of environmental assessments.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment

Alison McDermott

The quick answer is yes, we do. If you'd like a more detailed answer with respect to environmental assessments—

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

No, that's okay. “Yes” is good enough.

There's an issue that's been brewing in B.C. now for the last 10 years at least, and it's a transboundary issue. Essentially, what it's talking about is that the first nations of Alaska demand to be consulted on mining projects and environmental assessments that affect or may affect Alaskan boundaries.

I notice that Canada is absent. Does Canada plan to be part of this transboundary dispute, or do we have a position? It does boil down to an international dispute.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy and International Affairs Branch, Department of the Environment

Alison McDermott

We'll turn to Michael Bonser, ADM for international affairs.

Michael Bonser Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Affairs, Department of the Environment

Thank you for the question. My name is Michael Bonser. I'm the associate assistant deputy minister of strategic policy, international affairs.

I'm sorry; by moving my seating position up here, I've probably eaten into your six minutes.

The short answer is that we have a very robust approach to dealing with transboundary issues, especially with the United States. It involves provinces, states, indigenous peoples. It is based around our work through the ICJ, the International Court of Justice, as you probably know as well.

I will take back the specifics around this question and we can come back to the committee with a stronger and more complete answer as to the question and the sense that Canada is absent from this. That is not something that I had understood, but I will go back to the department and my team, and we'll come back to the committee with more information.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

A written response would be excellent. Thank you.

There's lots of talk about an oil pipeline being built to the west coast. Has your department, or have your departments, talked to Prince Rupert, Kitimat, and surrounding communities about an oil pipeline being built to the B.C. coast, or will it be predicated on a project being officially registered with the Canadian environmental department?

Megan Nichols Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Environment and Climate Change Canada has not, at this time, been involved in such discussions. We would not necessarily be the first department involved in a decision on such a pipeline. Natural Resources Canada is usually the lead department for such initiatives, and then there's also the new Major Projects Office, which will be taking a lead in any new nation-building project.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thank you for that.

Is there any type of interaction or relationship that is contemplated or in writing in terms of your departments and the Major Projects Office? How will the two entities work together?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Megan Nichols

At this point, the Major Projects Office has just been announced and has been created very recently, as I'm sure the committee is aware. At this point, it is still being stood up, and we will be ready to participate and engage as soon as that invitation is extended. Leading up to the creation of the office, there has been lots of engagement across departments, and we'll continue to participate in those fora.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

In the announcement of the Major Projects Office, it was mentioned that it will maintain robust environmental standards, but I don't understand how that's going to be maintained or created without direct interaction with departments such as your own and the relevant ministries.

Am I correct in my understanding that there's been no discussion on the relationship between the Major Projects Office and your departments?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Megan Nichols

Certainly there has been discussion at officials' level. I was simply explaining that because the office has only just been announced, there has not yet been a great deal of formal engagement. However, our expectation is that there will be robust engagement. That has been the expectation all along and it is certainly been what has been communicated to us.

In terms of robust environmental decisions, the new Building Canada Act really changes the focus of decisions on projects from whether projects will be built to how they would be built if they are designated as such under this new act. Responsible ministers, such as the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, will have a role in recommending the conditions for a project's approval to the minister responsible for the new act, so we're confident that we will have a robust role in advising on those conditions.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It sounds like your departments will only be there in a recommendation and advisement role. There's been no official talk about how you do it from a legal or regulatory standpoint and there's nothing in writing. Has nothing really been formally decided upon or created to ensure that you and your department can do your job and do your duties to uphold environmental standards? Has nothing been put in writing to ensure that happens with the Major Projects Office?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Megan Nichols

There is the Building Canada Act itself—

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I understand that. I'm talking about a lower level. I'm not talking about the announcements and I'm not talking about the political stuff; I'm talking about the real work that gets done at your level.

Has nothing been formalized to ensure that environmental standards are upheld in what you do to protect the environment, versus the Major Projects Office? Has nothing formally been decided upon yet?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Megan Nichols

There have been many discussions at the working level, but nothing has been officially formalized at this time.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mr. Ross. That's it. Time is up. I gave you an extra minute.

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Conservative

Ellis Ross Conservative Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Did you?

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Yes, I did.