Evidence of meeting #10 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was requests.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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As an Individual
Your motion opened a Pandora's box, because what's perfectly legal and, as some witnesses have said, has perfectly good guidelines may be wrong, and that's what I and others have been testifying to.
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
But you've had an opportunity to testify on and off for two hours. I'm asking a specific question. Is the answer yes or no: do you have any information of this practice?
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
Then you have concrete evidence you can furnish us with.
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As an Individual
If someone wants further information than what I've said, I'll give it to them, but it's very hard to get the documentation.
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Conservative
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Conservative
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Conservative
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As an Individual
I asked at the beginning of the hearing if I could table some of the documents I have.
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Lawyer, As an Individual
Do I have documentary evidence of a recent...[Inaudible—Editor]? The answer is no. Do I have a conviction that it has taken place, is taking place as we speak? Yes.
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
You believe names of ATI applicants are going to political staff.
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Lawyer, As an Individual
Yes, names are going to political staff, administrative staff.
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
You believe it's happening, Colonel Drapeau, even though you say you have no evidence for it.
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Lawyer, As an Individual
The evidence I have is anecdotal. It dates back quite a few years. In some cases, I would not be in a position to disclose it. I got this conviction based on my experience on a day-to-day basis.
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
My question wasn't about conviction. You just said that you had anecdotal evidence. What does that consist of?
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Lawyer, As an Individual
Anecdotal evidence of comments being made by third parties.
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Lawyer, As an Individual
No, the comments were made to me, and I was aware that a request had been made either by me or by somebody on my behalf to a specific department. This has happened more than once.
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Conservative
Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB
So you are talking about third-hand comments, but you have no evidence, nothing you can furnish us with to confirm that this practice has occurred.