Evidence of meeting #16 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chairman.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jennifer Stoddart  Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada
Wayne Watson  Director General, Investigation and Inquiries Branch, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada
Tom Pulcine  Director General, Corporate Services and Comptroller, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I guess I'm concerned, and some other committee members, because your predecessor—

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Rightly so, yes.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

—got into trouble. So naturally, as politicians—and this isn't a slight against you—we're a little nervous about those sorts of expenses.

I would appreciate the analysis of the line items for the 2006 hospitality, if you can get it.

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

For hospitality?

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I don't know if, through the chair, you could send it here

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

For hospitality, or travel, or both?

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

The travel and hospitality, yes. The figures I read out were both those figures.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Yes, you did do that.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Madam Commissioner, the line items for the 2006 hospitality include, as you indicated, the External Advisory Committee dinner. It includes a dinner for the director of the American Civil Liberties Union. It includes a farewell dinner for the Commissioner of Official Languages. In your elaboration, what I'd appreciate is that you tell us how those expenses fit in with your mandate to protect the public from improper disclosure of private information.

I'd like to turn to a comment that was raised by Mr. Wallace. It had to do with the National Post article, which places you second.

It was interesting. There was a comment made by Professor Michael Geist. He says, “I think [this report] says far more about how badly privacy is protected worldwide than about how well Canada is doing.” That's an interesting observation, although he is part of your advisory committee, and it's an impressive list of people. You have everybody from Perrin Beatty to Ed Broadbent to a former Supreme Court justice. It's quite an impressive list.

My question has to do with those people. Are they paid?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Yes, they are, honourable member, yes.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

What are they paid?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

They have a per diem of $250 a day.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

How often do they meet?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Twice a year.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

What do they do?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

They advise us on our ongoing objectives, on policy positions, on our education program, and so on. They serve as advisers. We phone many of them up on different issues when we need advice.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

And not necessarily as a group, but as individuals, perhaps, in their own individual expertise?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

Yes. Sometimes we consult them informally, yes.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Do I have time for a final question, Mr. Chairman?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

You do. You have ten seconds.

5:10 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Ten seconds. It's probably impossible.

The issue of lawsuits brought in Federal Court with respect to dissatisfied complaints was raised. You indicated in your annual report that there are numerous unsatisfied complaints--James R. Gairdner v. Jennifer Stoddart et al, Gauthier v. the Privacy Commissioner, etc. What law firm do you retain to defend those claims?

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

We use our own staff.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

So you don't hire an external law firm.

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Privacy Commissioner, Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

Jennifer Stoddart

No, and in many of the cases, we hire a Mr. Steve Welchner.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Does he act for you in all of those?