We have one experience that's fairly detailed, the Englander v. Telus case. In that case, Mr. Englander lost at the trial division of the Federal Court and was ordered to pay, I believe, $15,000 in costs to Telus, and that didn't include his own time. He had to go to the Federal Court of Appeal, and he eventually got his costs back. But I'm assuming that he had more time on top of that. I don't know how many hours he spent on it, but if he was billing himself out at $200 an hour, that would be an awful lot. I know there's another case, which is detailed in our report, of a lady who had to abandon it because the costs were getting too high.
It's like any other court case; it's in the thousands.