Tom Wappel at the Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics Committee

I'm not asking, Minister, from a political point of view. My observation would be that if there have been five majority governments of various political stripes that haven't moved on this, I would be looking to ask the bureaucracy why not.

I think the phraseology of Mr. Martin was that there had to be some pushback. It seems to me that with five majority governments and no change to this bill in 23 years, prima facie, that indicates pushback from the bureaucracy.

Have you had any experience of pushback from the bureaucracy on the Access to Information Act?