Well, I'm going to say something else. Even to the degree.... The only time I ever recall where it was dealt with in public was when Mr. Broadbent was sitting where Mr. Martin was, and Mr. Broadbent wanted a particular issue to be discussed in public. There was a motion made, and the majority of the committee ruled that it would go into public session. Other than that, we've always dealt with things in private.
So it's very difficult—